What is "Fast Bikes" beef with the R1200S?

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What is "Fast Bikes" beef with the R1200S?

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I bought the march issue of "Fast Bikes" on you advise because I had so much to learn about real sport bikes after complaining so much about the lack of sensible sport-touring options from the factory for the R1200S.
So I don't want to bore/bother you about the lack of a decent seized tank,seat for the missus,centerstand,practical underseat storage and luggage rack again... :wink:
But I always thought with these "sensible options" the new S would have been a very desirable sport-(tourer) bike and successor to the old R11S not only for boxer-trixsters...
But anyways it got some good press but always there was a slight undertone that it was wrong to deny BMW spporttouring minded folks the list of usual options and retrospect looking at the sales they were right or better the factory pokered and lost... (otherwise dead cert buyers)
Of couse "Fast Bikes" is way over the top critizising the S in this way on the merits on being a sportbike alone...
"Don't be fooled by claims this is a sportsbike.Ride it back to back with a GSXR750 and you'll see the light"
"BMW R1200S-257th,I actually choose the BMW to ride up to the test purely for the legroom and heated grips on a four hour motorway slog with vans in tow.Any other time you can keep it.It's slower than a 600 and heavier than your house.The brakes couldn't stop a pen from rolling off your desk and it handles like a broken wheelbarrow.The fueling is terrible,the transmission shunts and the gearbox is poor.One day they'll nail it,but that day hasn't come yet.The brutal truth I'd rather walk than ride the R1200S.That's ok,because after reading this I'd be amazed if BMW even let me on their webside again,let alone on one of their bikes"
"Verdict,it's basically a rolling generator to power the heated grips and definately not a sportsbike.+fairly comfortable,but it's not the sportsbike BMW claimed it would be.- too mch too list.4/10"
Looks too me appeasing the journos on the backs of a lot of loyal customers did not work.
So my question is real,why does "Fast Bikes" seem to hate BMW's???
I remember they had nothing good to say about the R1100S,either...
Otherwise,paper really doesn't care what gets printed on it,does it?
Do you?
Who cares... :?:
Save your money :!:
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Post by PBBoxer »

To be honest I dont care.
Other mags like the bike.
Some people like em
Some people dont
Every man to himself
Really like mine tho

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Post by winger »

Well firstly most mags don't understand the BM ethos,some days i'm not sure i do and thats after 7 years ,so what chance do they have,when they've spent the previous week riding a ZX10 or Gixxer thou.

These things are relative,the 1100s is no great tourer my Tiger is,my S ain't,1500 mile trip sure but that ain't touring!!.

Side bags/hard bags never used e'm or needed e'm even when there's two of us on the road for a fortnights holiday.

Underseat storage don't need it.

Center stand it's the first thing i put on my Tiger,wouldn't dream of putting one on my S.

Tank size?? people with 1100s's complaining about other bikes with smaller tanks!!! pot calling the kettle black.

See Chris it's all right you running your one man campaign but how many others think the same,i also have a gripe but it's non of the above,nothings ever simple e'h!!!!
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You bought the wrong magazine for a start. Fast Bikes have a circulation of about, oooh, three - you being one of them.

Whether they actually test bikes or just write about them from some pictures is a moot point - or is that MCN?

Like Winger said, when you have every other bike made to choose from, it is hard to see the 12S in a 'sport, sport, sport' :wink: light. Which I know is your point everywhere else. I don't think any of us would pick a Boxer to compete in superbikes on, but out on the roads it's just fine. So it's (road)sport (road)sport (road)sport for all!

Try Bike magazine instead, they usually appreciate Beemer qualities.
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Post by iandunn1100ss »

me-109 i think thats spot on. I rode one last week but not my cup of tea ,but road sport would be a great name for it.
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Post by paul thompson »

Fast Bikes usedto be one of the best bike mags out there, when Colin Schiller was editor in chief, with most european marques judged on their merits (and failings!), but since he sold up it turned into yet another piss poor lads gsxrzxr mag. Which is why no one buys it any more. Even Performance Bike is starting to warm to BMW. God forbid.
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Post by throttlemeister »

Well, there is also the other side like Motorrad or one of their local non-german subsidiaries who always trumpet the beemer if it is in the test.
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Post by BMW-Fahrer »

Winger I don't know what your gripe is but is is no "one man campaign" either.Even Ben Miller who ran and liked the longterm R1200S at Bike said that is was wrong to make is less versatile as it's predeccessor as McKanzie at two said it would cost otherwise dead certain customers.The R1100S had 40000 customers over it's 7! year lifespan,the R1100/1150RS even more over 11! years.The bikes obviously appealed to a lot of road-sporting a.k.a sport-turing customers,far more than only one man...
As far as "Fast Bikes" goes I will save my money;maybe the got some bad Bratwurst or stale Weizenbier at some BM-intro to be so hateful,or maybe "Polish-Pete" has some other issues... :wink:
Back in the days of the R1100S they liked the old Sprint ST and VFR better... :PWe all knew better!
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BMW-Fahrer wrote:Winger I don't know what your gripe is but is is no "one man campaign" either.Even Ben Miller who ran and liked the longterm R1200S at Bike said that is was wrong to make is less versatile as it's predeccessor as McKanzie at two said it would cost otherwise dead certain customers.The R1100S had 40000 customers over it's 7! year lifespan,the R1100/1150RS even more over 11! years.The bikes obviously appealed to a lot of road-sporting a.k.a sport-turing customers,far more than only one man...
As far as "Fast Bikes" goes I will save my money;maybe the got some bad Bratwurst or stale Weizenbier at some BM-intro to be so hateful,or maybe "Polish-Pete" has some other issues... :wink:
Back in the days of the R1100S they liked the old Sprint ST and VFR better... :PWe all knew better!
No one man campaign!!!! you are jokeing all you bloody well do is bombard the Pelican/Boxertrix sites with same old lines, bugger me if you've even done a letter to the BMW Motorrader mag,which most people have never seen!!!

How's it go?? Tanks to small,no center stand,no hard bags,no room under the seat,jesus i know it off by heart,we only need some music and we can turn it into a song!!!
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Post by gus »

Into the trenches lads!
Man the machine guns!
Theres a load of bullshit on the way!
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I'm disappointed lads. My first reply had such an apt message and nobody picked up on it.
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Missed that one paul!
DOH!
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Post by Neil178 »

Not just Fast Bikes, but most of the magazines seem to have articles written by spotty faced 21 year old stunt gods with testosterone fuelled wheelies and stopies as the only measure of a bike. Okay, just sour grapes on my behalf wishing I was 21 again.

I find Ride a more suitable read. Anyone seen my slippers by the way?
Recently the guy in Ride with the ZX10 admitted the new F800S was a better road bike as you just can't use the power of the Kawasaki and expect to live. Summit like that anyway.

Until the slanty eyed gits (no, it's okay. I can say that as it has Phil the Greek's Royal Approval) stop killing whales I won't buy their bikes. Going off thread now so time to go!
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