Lennies Induct a potted history!!

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Hi all,

Tried to understand all the interest of late from the UK and was informed about the discussion here on Boxertrix.

A little bit of history.

The idea for the InDuct was borne out of fiddling over the years and applying some of the go fast car technology, or lack there of to the BMW. It is not an original idea for me but one adapted to our bikes.

The R1100S was my first BMW and I thought it would be a bit of a challenge to see just how I could improve and refine the tuning.

I set about relocating the battery on the headstock between the fork tubes to free up space under the tank for a big airbox setup with supply via the normal route that the InDuct now takes. This was a major challenge as I started with sheet metal for the airbox and found the supply snorkel to be a bit difficult to fashion.

I then located a company in Sydney and had a discussion about developing something for stock replacement. I borrowed a bike and had the plug deveolped and with some minor changes I requested, ended up with the first item.

After fitting it, I found the bike ran surprisingly weel and thought a lot of the gain was in my head and my butt. I had a few more made and fitted to some bikes locally and this got things rolling.

I then developed the RT item and the R/GS/RS item as well.

Later I took the big airbox and developed it to run two intakes via the air intake under the left indicator housing. We modified the right side fairing to be mirror image and had two tubes through the tank. Not sure it worked too much better than the InDuct. I should have just fitted the SJ Powerfilter and would have had the same air filter area.

Winger,

To clear up the spat on the Pelican board, it was more with Dr Curve discrediting the fact it would not work at all and stock was best. All this from a guy with a long history of setting speed records on older BMWs over the years. On one he even fitted a tube from the front of the bike to the airbox. Hey, presto, cold air intake.

I have the utmost respect for Chris Hodgson at SJ BMW and know his history for work on BMWs.

My comment when the Americans compared the products was that the Superduct was one piece and while it removed the restriction around the battery, it did not replace the stock rubber section and did not increaase the size of the mouth.

Chris lurked on the board and watched in general what was happening and finally responded politely about not using the board to sell product and that was all. Making the Superduct was flattering to me and I think this came about due to my then problems of supply. He later developed the bigger mouth to replace the stock item. He does continue to develop great products for the BMW range and the R1200S race bike is looking really good.

Carbon Fibre was not a consious choice but one recommended due to the heat from the cylinder and head. Material cost to my supplier is only about $30.00 more expensive than fibreglass. The labour cost and autclaving is where the major cost is at.

Deciding to use retailers in the UK and USA was more about having a local presence than anything else. MotorWorks did a great job in the UK and CBT Imports in the USA.

While CBT were selling the InDucts, Mark Doebeck formerly of DynoJet fame fitted a manometer to an R1150Rt with an InDuct. At 18 miles per hour the manometer started to read and at 100 mph it pegged the guage at maximum of 4 inches.

The product works and the combination of parts developed were only ever to put more smiles per mile on the owners of these great bikes.

I have GS owneers now fitting the advanced timing cam sprockets and surprising to me they actually work very good.

Good to see there is a great BMW community in the UK and I have a brother in Abingdon who has given thoughts to buying a BMW. If he does I will point him this way.

Cheers all and thanks ofr the interest. :D

I have another board now to take some interest in.

Regards,

Lennie
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An honour to see the man himself take time to grace us with words of wisdom.
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leasky,

it is good to finally find my way over to here.

I keep seeing references on the Pelican board and finally decided I should come and visit.

Just trying to clarify what happened on the Pelican and in no way am I annoyed.

I have emailed a few of the Boxertrix members in the past and always had a good response.

I am scheming a way to get the R1200S in the next 6 to 12 months as I no longer have my S. Some lucky guy got the deal of his liftime when it had to go.

I miss it but am now pre ocuppied racing go karts with my sons.

I look forward to having a bit of a fiddle with the new bike and see if anything that anything I did with the R1100S will work.

You guys must be near the end of the summer over there and how much longer is it tolerable to ride ?

Keep safe.
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Thanks for the reply Lennie.

Well I am up here in North East Scotland and as we say "We have 6 months of winter and 6 months of bad weather". It is starting to get wet although it has been a very good summer thus far. I wish I was in your part of the world; it would make every weekend a pleasure.

The girlfriend and I were over to the West coast of Scotland last week and we had all four seasons in one day!

Good to see you on here Lennie. I am a new member but I am sure that a lot of the other guys will feel equally priviliged to converse with you.

I hope you enjoy that new bike.

Kindest regards,

Leasky.
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leasky,

I actually am from Sydney but moved to Tasmania 4 years ago.

I moved south from Launceston to Hobart a year ago and I have found the weather here to be a little windy, wet and down right cold at times.

It was quite a warm day today and good to get outside.

I will keep an eye on things here and respond where necessary.
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Hi Lennie

Great to have you on the Boxertrix site.

As for me took the r1200s for a test ride great, but I still love my 1100s.

Thought I would treat it to the duct since I have the power chip from BBpower and also the lasers other end.

Any thoughts on the setting for the chip when I get the duct?

got your paypal email address from the pelican site and ordered direct.

You have my cash now get that baby on a plane (no seriously treat it like a donated organ)

I would just love it installed for my trip next friday :oops:

enjoy that new bike hold on tight :roll:
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Gromit wrote:
boxerpan wrote:
Don't believe all you read, our American cousins tend to get a liitle carried away on some subjects :roll:
You can't say it's not entertaining though. :D
Being Scottish I'll be a bit more forthright, they have a very high percentage of total tossers on the board and often talk the biggest load of sh!te going, especially one of the 'moderators' who is just an ignorant wank, but is very easy to wind up :wink:



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theseadog wrote:
Gromit wrote:
boxerpan wrote:
Don't believe all you read, our American cousins tend to get a liitle carried away on some subjects :roll:
You can't say it's not entertaining though. :D
Being Scottish I'll be a bit more forthright, they have a very high percentage of total tossers on the board and often talk the biggest load of sh!te going, especially one of the 'moderators' who is just an ignorant wank, but is very easy to wind up :wink:

Just don't mention the war.......at least none since 1945 :roll:

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Post by lennie »

Nick and Charlie,

Your InDucts were not going to be ready until this Friday coming, but I will pull a couple from another order and get them off to you Monday my time.

Regards,

Lennie
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Post by soggybottoms »

Lennie, fantastic! Hopefully I'll be able to fit it for the weekend and get all inappropriate. :D :D :D Charlie :twisted:
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Lennie wrote
Nick and Charlie,

Your InDucts were not going to be ready until this Friday coming, but I will pull a couple from another order and get them off to you Monday my time.
Thanks for that news Lennie thankyou for the priority you are giving us Brits

Regards :D [/quote]
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Hi Lennie
A big thanks for all you have done with your induct, it's great that people like you transfer your thoughts and ideas into solid products that we can all benefit from. I purchased one of your inducts via Motorworks, and it definitely made a big difference to my S. as others have ventured, I do find it steals some oomph from the bottom end, but doubles it at the top end. Thanks for taking the time and effort to converse with us POMs.
much appreciated :D

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Post by lennie »

Steve,

It is good to come and visit.

Until attending this forum, I had not really had the kind of feedback for losing it on the bottom.

I guess with all I was doing at the time I might not have noticed it.

Maybe that is why I developed the advanced cam sprockets to get some back.

I am just a fiddler at the end of the day and started as 14 yo stripping a Honda SL100 and putting it back together, just to see how it worked.

Got the cam timing 1 tooth out the wrong way and had it fixed. Good lesson and have not messed that up again.

2 stokes followed with porting including the transfers with a step up to multi cylinder 4s, triples and later twins. After starting an apprenticeship as an aircraft maintenance engineer. This provided me with additional confidence to try some of the early car tech stuff and helped me analyse how and why I would make the changes that I do.

I try to tune for midrange punch with as flat a torquecurve as possible.

I always like to try an have a chat with people from all over as it is a good thing.

Regards,

Lennie
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