Harry Lime wrote:slparry wrote:
You appear to be very upset at what I've posted, I genuinely apologise for any offence none has been intended,
Well yea.
Sorry about being offended and all that.
Let me be absolutely clear about something. I was brought up on an inner city housing estate. In Glasgow, then later, Middlesborough. Later moved to London, North London. Haringey.
But I've worked hard and done pretty well for myself. I now live in a large, cosy house in the middle of a National Park. As does, I believe, Mr Parry, and possibly PBBoxer (North York Moors?) and big rob (Scotland).
But let's just take a little journey back through this thread shall we.....
"idiots that come out of the woodwork from the nearby cities" (SParry)
"Out of county lads come in and wag their dicks about." (PBBoxer)
" the victim is invariably from outside of north Wales" (SParry)
" the type of people who head to a specific area to get their cocks out " (PBBoxer)
As well as motorcycling all over the world and racing, on and off road, I've also, over the years, climbed some Fucking Big Alpine Mountains.
But I started as a teenager, hitch hiking to the Lake District from Teesside with a tent and a sense of adventure. Sure, over the years I've had some training, but you've got to start somewhere.
"a group
from Merseyside of 5 or so 20 years olds in shorts and with a dog digging steps in the snow to get to the top of Snowdon" (SParry)
So. Y'know. Is it a class issue with you guys? Because that's how it's coming across.
Poor people from the cities "hoon about" and "wave their cocks about", whilst country gentlemen like yourselves "make progress"?
Doubtless people from Merseyside are "Idiots sheer bloody idiots" whereas people from rural areas would be "Plucky young adventurers"? [1]
You seem to want to keep the countryside, country roads and the National Parks "local, for local people".
Not far from where I'm typing this, there's a hill called Kinder Scout. I hope you see where I'm going with this......
H.
[1] the quotation from the mountain rescue guys just said "foolish". In my considerable experience of mountaineering, the UK rescue groups are very careful with their criticism, being acutely aware of the situation in the UK, where you get rescued free of charge. The profit makers are hovering....
I've lived all of my life in Wales apart from a short period living in Surrey in the 80's, and have travelled extensively with work in my previous role.
My concerns are nothing to do with class, and you do me a disservice in your assertion. I'm glad for you that you've managed to "better" yourself, but it bears no relation to the discussion and just seems to come over as a bit crass to be honest.
My concerns are that locals in the areas favoured by these idiots are the ones that have to pick up the pieces and suffer the backlash from the safety Nazis. I couldn't give a flying fig what their class, income, location is what concerns me is motorcycling itself will be under threat because of them.
Whether you like it or not the fact is that as others have said the regions and parks are going to be more attractive to ride in and visit, which is great for all concerned however, locals and visitors all have a duty of care to one another to ensure they're not endangering the lives of others.
I'm not talking of quick riding I'm on about the type of stunt riding and aggressive poor riding that if seen by the police would be regarded as beyond mere careless driving and onto dangerous driving and prisonable. Of course if you feel this is acceptable then we'll just have to differ on our views of how the roads should be used.
Would you be happy to have some twat speeding excessively, performing wheelies and stoppies up and down the street outside your house? Perhaps endangering your kids/pets/family members?
Once North Wales Police and councils ban motorcycle from the region who are you going to blame then? Or I guess it would be of no concern to you as you'd just move on to another area and wouldn't give a hoot about the residents of that region who are now heavily impacted by the actions of a selfish few.
Yes there will be some locals who ride in the same manner but the reality is it's mostly visitors to the area, backed up by the number of bikes that pour into the region on the main routes in A5104/A483/A5/A55 on a sunny weekend. The reality is North Wales is relatively sparsely populated so there's less bikers here anyway percentage wise.
It's the selfishness that I guess rattles me the most, the "I'm going to use North Wales as my personal race track then f*ck off home", irrespective of the carnage they leave behind, are part of or create. And to dismiss climbing Snowdon in the middle of winter while so ill equipped does your argument no credit at all, anyone with any common sense would consider their actions as stupid, and had it been locals I'd have been just as disparaging! Anyone who goes up the highest mountain in Wales in the winter equipped thus is demonstrably stupid and nothing you say can justify it. Of course you could just be trolling for effect? I am NOT attacking visitors v locals etc, it's just we have more visiting bikers than locals on nice days and often their skill sets and judgement are lacking, and evidenced so.
As for "Foolish"
"fool (fl)
n.
1. One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding."
"
pretty much what I described?
(how are the lentil counters going to deal with the mountaineers to prevent them from killing themselves?)
