Fast Enough or What

winger · Post by **winger** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:45 pm

See a certain Mr M Schumacher rode Stoners Duke today and got within 5 seconds of Pedrosa's lap record from yesterday,gulp!!!

Lars1974 · Post by **Lars1974** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:11 pm

yeah man,

just found this article on it...
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport ... ti800ride/

shows you how much of a racer he really was or better is....

snavetrauts · Post by **snavetrauts** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:06 pm

He might be a great racer... in fact probably the best... but he is a SHITE human being.... IMHO

Stuart

throttlemeister · Post by **throttlemeister** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:30 am

Really? Do you know him personally that you can say that? Or just because he is German? I have seen some documentaries where you got to see him in a more personal setting, off-track and he came across as a very nice and very friendly person. On-track he is very focussed and professional, to the point of being arrogant. As was for instance Mickey Doohan. But you should not mistake the person from what you see whilst doing his job.

It's a bit like fighter pilots. If they aren't convinced they are God's gift to jets, they aren't good enough to be fighter pilots. You see that with all great drivers too. Except Schumi isn't even being arrogant when he feels he's better than anyone else on the track, cause he is.

sandbar · Post by **sandbar** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:39 am

throttlemeister wrote: to the point of being arrogant.

Ah!!! Is that what it was?

Silly me. All those incidents!
*Taking Damon Hill off in Australia.
*Trying to take Villeneuve off
*Involvement with the Benetton electronic cheating
*'Stalling' and blocking the track at the Rascasse towards the end of practice at Monaco.

And those are just the ones that I can remember

So it was just arrogance. And I thought it was something else entirely!

sandbar

Doug K · Post by **Doug K** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:55 am

At the end of the day guys I tend to agree with Throttlemeister - you can't take it away from Schumi - he was the best in his field for many years, but he did make F1 a little boring, as he was so good, regardless of driving conditions!!

I, for one, rate him as one of the best F1 drivers of all time.

Well that's my twopen'th.

snavetrauts · Post by **snavetrauts** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:04 am

Shame on you Throttlemeister..... His Nationality was not even mentioned...and is not relevant.

He was probably the best driver in the world... But he was not a nice human being.... Sandbar has it ..... taking Damon off was enough for me.

Just imagine if you had that sort of behaviour on the GP scene...tooooooo dangerous.

Stuart

throttlemeister · Post by **throttlemeister** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:32 am

sandbar wrote:
throttlemeister wrote: to the point of being arrogant.
Ah!!! Is that what it was?

Silly me. All those incidents!
*Taking Damon Hill off in Australia.
*Trying to take Villeneuve off
*Involvement with the Benetton electronic cheating
*'Stalling' and blocking the track at the Rascasse towards the end of practice at Monaco.

And those are just the ones that I can remember

So it was just arrogance. And I thought it was something else entirely!

sandbar

That's called racing. Remember the saying "all is fair in love & war"? You do what you need to do to win. You intentionally search for the limits of what is possible or allowed. Sometimes you cross the line.

throttlemeister · Post by **throttlemeister** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:35 am

snavetrauts wrote:Shame on you Throttlemeister..... His Nationality was not even mentioned...and is not relevant.

He was probably the best driver in the world... But he was not a nice human being.... Sandbar has it ..... taking Damon off was enough for me.

Just imagine if you had that sort of behaviour on the GP scene...tooooooo dangerous.

Stuart

It's relevant for most Dutch.

Remember Senna and Prost wheel banging and ending up in the gravel together in the last race to decide the championship? They intentionally ran each other of the track. Remember Mansell? They all had 'tricks' like that. But when a German does it, its wrong?

And I distinctly remember certain actions of a V. Rossi that can be considered the same thing too. Or a mister M. Melandri who has dissed a few too over the years.

It happens in all sports, and blaming Schumacher for being a bad person while hailing others that display the same behavior is just stupid.

sandbar · Post by **sandbar** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:54 am

throttlemeister wrote: ...........and blaming Schumacher for being a bad person.........

I don't blame him. It is not his fault - he just is!

And because other people are the same does not justify it.

throttlemeister wrote:..............while hailing others that display the same behavior is just stupid.

Where were we hailing somebody else for behaving in the same way?

sandbar

winger · Post by **winger** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:45 pm

Funny old game e'h!!! i've never met the man,so i wouldn't know,but haveing had a lot to do with a couple of very well known road racers, who trade on being good old boys,when the reality is their anything but,i don't rush to any conclusions before knowing them well.

snavetrauts · Post by **snavetrauts** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:47 pm

Sandbar... I do not think we will win this one.

Most of us will never know any celebrity that well.... therefore we judge them by their public personae... even when knowing that this man may be different in "private".

Again most of us can judge people/racers/celebrities and judge whether they are good sportsmen/women or simply good drivers... My view is that Schumacher is a good driver but a shit sportsman....and a bad human being.... there is a difference in "playing the game" in whatever sport it is, but he simply went too far for my taste.

His nationality/colour/race/ethnicity/dressing on the right or left simply does not come into it.

Here endeth the lesson.

Stuart

PBBoxer · Post by **PBBoxer** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:30 pm

I fully accept thet he was one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time, however it's a fact, he cheated more than once, blatantly and even to the point of losing all his points one season.

He was an exceptional talent, but he went over the line too many times to make it acidental. That tainted it for me.

Despite that, 5 seconds off Pedrosa, wow!

Rossi is superb in F1 cars too isnt he, and quick in rally cars, as Mcrea was very quick on bikes.

Some people are just naturals.

snavetrauts · Post by **snavetrauts** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:52 pm

PBboxer.... Now you are talking.

... I think you are talking about all rounders here.... natural talents on 2 or 4 wheels...

For me it is Mike Hailwood..... A true sportsman.... fricking quick and a gentle man to boot.

my 2p

Stuart

johnl · Post by **johnl** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:29 pm

A lot of the F1 boys like bikes. Brundle scoots across europe to some grand prix on a bike with James Allen in tow. Heidfeld as a GS1200 he took to a grand prix this year and Coulthard I believe is quite keen. Probably more as well that I don't know of.