Cheaper tax ...?

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:00 pm

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/48869

ianbcr · Post by **ianbcr** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:40 pm

Done.

boxerscott · Post by **boxerscott** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:00 pm

Me too, seems reasonable.

dave1100s · Post by **dave1100s** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:09 pm

Done. Obvious when you think about it! Another way in which we're shafted!!

madthemad · Post by **madthemad** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:36 pm

Signed up

Al · Post by Al » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:53 pm

Done.

Al.

cornishflat · Post by **cornishflat** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:09 pm

I,m in, and quite right too.

nab 301 · Post by **nab 301** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:20 pm

Be careful what you wish for... , presumably that wouldn't be applied retrospectively? I thought generally that bike emissions were higher than cars , either way, that would mean no cat removal or exhaust mods .
Cars went co2 based here a while back , a lot of people bought in to the cheap road tax idea and then the government increased the rates again.

fatnfast · Post by **fatnfast** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:22 pm

Done as well.
If it goes through will it also mean emission testing comes in at mot time I wonder? Will I have to refit my catalytic convertors and is my Yam RD250LC going to cost me £5000 to tax as it belches out 2 stroke fumes

McBoxer · Post by **McBoxer** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:25 pm

Done, but not confirmed. And after reading the posts that came after this one I'm not going to either.
Think I'll stay away from online petitions from now on......

Twinspark · Post by **Twinspark** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:18 pm

Are you all bloody stupid?

Did any of you bother to check the facts before signing?

Just some examples...

A VFR800 puts out around 160g/km of CO2.

An FJR1300 about the same.

A BMW S1000RR has the lowest emissions of any superbike at 132g/km.

This means an S1000RR would come in at £125/year - with most 600cc+ sports bikes coming in at £175/year.

That whole petition is a crock of shit and I'd advise that nobody should sign it.

Blackal · Post by **Blackal** » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:31 pm

Twinspark wrote:Are you all bloody stupid?

.

Is that a rhetorical question?

I never sign these things on a matter of principle.

I think it's a government ploy to make people think that they can influence policy............ bollox!

Only things that can influence - are strikes, boycots, riots and assassinations.

Sometimes you shouldn't waste time on the first three...........

Al

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:07 am

Twinspark wrote:Are you all bloody stupid?

Did any of you bother to check the facts before signing?

Just some examples...

A VFR800 puts out around 160g/km of CO2.

An FJR1300 about the same.

A BMW S1000RR has the lowest emissions of any superbike at 132g/km.

This means an S1000RR would come in at £125/year - with most 600cc+ sports bikes coming in at £175/year.

That whole petition is a crock of shit and I'd advise that nobody should sign it.

Where did you get the figures from Steve?

Twinspark · Post by **Twinspark** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:56 am

There's an officially published BMW figure - the rest I found here:

http://www.righttoride.co.uk/virtuallib ... 070909.pdf

Needless to say... CO2 emissions are nigh-on directly proportional to fuel economy - although, without the emission control gubbins, bikes are generally worse than cars.

However, the 16.5g/km quoted is absolutely an order of magnitude out - a VFR800 will return under 40mpg and runs pretty rich.

I really do wish people would do proper research before posting petitions - and I also wish that those signing could take a step back and think before they do!

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:44 am

It does say a proportionate rating.

"So (considering that there would need to be a proportionate rating for motorcycles due to the lower consumption
of fuel and other factors), based on these results and using the Euro3 as the measure for the new road tax
regime, if you chose a BMW F800, a Honda Unicorn 150 or a KYMCO Xciting 500 you would not pay anything..."

For instance it's rare to be stuck in traffic with a bike where a car will sit with its engine running while stuck.

It doesn't take much hard work or restraint to get 67mpg from my 2007 K1200GT.

The BCR never seems to go below 40 no matter how hard I ride it, and returns more if ridden normally. The F650 returns 50 mpg during my commutes.

The Japanese really need to up their game regarding fuel consumption, as the S1000RR has proved you can still have performance and reduced emissions

and in closing it also says

Doing nothing is not an option. In the end the environmentalists will have their way and for good reason. That
leaves two choices, either the manufacturers accept that they will have to be responsible for declaring emissions
and for recalls if they get it wrong.