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kfrogzx7 wrote:
boxerscott wrote:where does the 80mph come from? :?
Earlier in the thread somebody mentioned 80 I think ?
Think about that :?:

If you came off your bike at 80mph how distant from your bike would you be?

Ok, appy camp make believe... but if marquez crashed into rossi at 80mph and had the presence of mind to loaf him one in the knee, crashed his bike, held on to it, kept in running, got back on it then he truly is EL Matador.

VR46 lobbed the towel in, as for goat you are kidding me :wink:

That title belongs to someone who really shook the world and inspired millions with great athleticism and humility and never ever threw the towel in. Went to jail for his beliefs in actual fact,
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boxerscott wrote:
That title belongs to someone who really shook the world and inspired millions with great athleticism and humility and never ever threw the towel in. ,
Jockie Wilson? :?
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kfrogzx7 wrote:
boxerscott wrote:where does the 80mph come from? :?
Earlier in the thread somebody mentioned 80 I think ?
Think about that :?:

If you came off your bike at 80mph how distant from your bike would you be?

Ok, appy camp make believe... but if marquez crashed into rossi at 80mph and had the presence of mind to loaf him one in the knee, crashed his bike, held on to it, kept in running, got back on it then he truly is EL Matador.

VR46 lobbed the towel in, as for goat you are kidding me :wink:

That title belongs to someone who really shook the world and inspired millions with great athleticism and humility and never ever threw the towel in. TRUE TO HIMSELF Went to jail for his beliefs in actual fact, Bit like Vale? I think not.
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boxerscott wrote: That title belongs to someone who really shook the world and inspired millions with great athleticism and humility and never ever threw the towel in. Went to jail for his beliefs in actual fact,
Fred Hill?

The Hurricane?

Anthony Gobert?

No, I've got it, its Ricky Thomlinson........
dammit no, you mentioned athletisism :(

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:D You lot are so funny.

Jockie Wilson :lol: True athlete by his own admission, but I doubt that he served time. Quality
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boxerscott wrote:where does the 80mph come from? :?
It's probably an 80mph corner? Normally. What happened was anything but normal. They certainly didn't look to be doing anything like 80 when Marquez went down. More like 30 or 40? Deceptive on a track though innit.

Was he kicked or not? I doubt it. I watched it live but my TiVo box also records it, so I watched it again yesterday. After the incident they showed a few alternative camera shots. One was an on board. Just one second before he went down you can hear hard contact between the bikes. A bash. I may need to watch it again. :D won't be difficult. :D
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"An online petition in response to the incident at the Malaysian MotoGP that saw Valentino Rossi penalised for his riding antics is gathering a huge amount of support, with over half a million people signing so far....."

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015 ... -goes-mad/



http://tinyurl.com/rossi-petition
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slparry wrote:"An online petition in response to the incident at the Malaysian MotoGP that saw Valentino Rossi penalised for his riding antics is gathering a huge amount of support, with over half a million people signing so far....."

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015 ... -goes-mad/



http://tinyurl.com/rossi-petition
Old Adolf had huge support too - didn't make the followers better informed, or correct........ :?

Remember Tony Blair demanding Dierdrie's release from prison (Coronation St) ? :shock: and the national petition?

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Blackal wrote:
slparry wrote:"An online petition in response to the incident at the Malaysian MotoGP that saw Valentino Rossi penalised for his riding antics is gathering a huge amount of support, with over half a million people signing so far....."

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015 ... -goes-mad/



http://tinyurl.com/rossi-petition
Old Adolf had huge support too - didn't make the followers better informed, or correct........ :?

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Riders opinion on last weeks events by Gino Rea, seems as balanced a view as you'd get?.........

Gino Rea
I've had quite a few people ask me about the Sepang events so before the excitement at Valencia begins, here are some of my views. I am not taking sides as I believe both riders were at fault in one way or another. Firstly, I recommend reading these articles, in which I agree mostly with:
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/1 ... who_h.html (scroll down to 'Down the rabbit hole')
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/ ... -incident/

My opinion of some of the standout points in the articles...

"He was trying to judge the right moment to turn in, something which proved to be impossible. At some point, he had no choice. If Rossi had been aiming to take the corner, instead of pushing Márquez off the track, there would have been no contact"

Having raced Sepang myself, I can put myself in MM's shoes at that corner. At the point where VR sat him up, MM's body position was already leaning off the bike ready for the turn. MM was waiting for him to make the turn. At this point MM made the split second decision (it's impossible to know what the rider on your inside is going to do) that VR would soon turn and therefore he could stay on track and not touch the astroturf. When VR continued straight, MM was already committed to keeping himself on the track and the two collided. I don't agree with the view that MM intentionally headbutted VR's knee (why would you? It's as silly as kicking a 157kg MotoGP bike-and I also don't think VR kicked MM). Whether MM's head touched VR's knee or not, to me is irrelevant. Things happen all too quickly to analyse these fine details. They collided and MM went down. The fact remains that if VR had turned in a bit earlier, the crash would not have happened. I don't blame VR for doing what he did, with the goal to make MM run wide but he didn't execute it well enough to get away without a consequence.

We all know why VR made that move...

"Was Marc Márquez' riding fair? He has every right to fight for his position on the track, but it is deeply unsporting to get involved with a rival with other priorities, unless you can beat them simply. There is nothing in the rules about being sporting, though, just about not being dangerous"

If I were MM, I would have sat behind VR. MM's argument was that he sat behind VR for a lap and thought he could go faster and therefore repassed him. In any other race situation he could have got away with that, but in light of the Championship battle, MM should have settled in behind him. If MM wasn't fast enough to stay with VR, then the best man on the day would have finished infront of the other. If MM sat behind VR but was faster later in race and was being held up by him, then he had the right to pass him (as long as it was clean).

"Ultimately, though, it was Valentino Rossi who lost out most by losing his cool."

Unfortunately, this is true. It has cost VR a lot more than it has cost MM. But it isn't over yet! This is motorcycle racing and you just never know what happens next...
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I don't understand the "should have had respect for the riders contending the championship"...... stance.

Each rider, in each race has the duty to race for points, and there is always a determination around 3rd/4th for the podium position - (Exposure for sponsors etc).........

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Blackal wrote:I don't understand the "should have had respect for the riders contending the championship"...... stance.

Each rider, in each race has the duty to race for points, and there is always a determination around 3rd/4th for the podium position - (Exposure for sponsors etc).........

Al
True. And each race should be approached the same throughout the season. Idealistically. It just doesn't pan out that way in reality. It can't. As respective riders mathematically drop out of contention for champion it isn't easy (possible?) to keep approaching the races in the same mind.

Then there's quite simply the fact, (yes I stand by the word "fact") that Marquez has singled out Rossi to mess with. For his own ( theoretical) long term gains. So he sees it.

If there was doubt (lack of consistent evidence) of what he (MM) was up to in Phillip island, there is very little doubt in my mind that he was deliberately messing with rossi's times, and only rossi's. The only difference to Phillip island is that he probably realised he didn't have the outright pace to pull off the win in sepang.

That's how I see it.

I can see it from both parties perspective. Maybe it is simply that fate would have it this way. Unavoidably.
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At the end of the day... race direction failed. The politics behind that are speculative. The commentators views to a man were plain. Rossi and MM were racing. MM did not break any rule, Rossi had him off.

White towel

Lesser men in the past succumbed to his "prescence"

Not so Casey Stoner and MM

but... must admit JL has not done himself any favours by wading in.

Lin Jarvis ? The two tails are wagging the dog if you ask me.

Honda must be smug.

Can not wait for Valencia.

My prediction, Spaniard to win.
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"HRC report to have video evidence that Rossi kicked Marquez! Well, here's the footage"

https://t.co/UVG0GNROB4
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