R1100S v R1200S

[Blackal]

I am currently living happily ever after. I wanted a boxer, with a touch of excitment, built for one, that I could keep running all year if necessary for work, and go on day flips with.

I thought you said that about the yellow one?

Al

[BMW-Fahrer]

Man of Mystery,my R1100S was lovely.The centerstand was redundant...
No problem to take it off with two bolts and one spring to fiddle with.But it was a problem with the R1200S to make it not a OPTION for a lot riders who think about the centerstand as not redundant but very practical...People like choices especially on a BMW.
Would I buy a HP-S?Not for the riding I do...I guess even you like the choice of being able to bring at least some stuff along with the small "sports-bags"...

[Stevie]

I am currently living happily ever after. I wanted a boxer, with a touch of excitment, built for one, that I could keep running all year if necessary for work, and go on day flips with.

I thought you said that about the yellow one?

Al

He probably did, but there's something he's not telling us about the yellow one.

[Man-of-Mystery]

I am currently living happily ever after. I wanted a boxer, with a touch of excitment, built for one, that I could keep running all year if necessary for work, and go on day flips with.

I thought you said that about the yellow one?

Al

He probably did, but there's something he's not telling us about the yellow one.

Like wot?

Yeah the ash-trays got full.

[Blackal]

I am currently living happily ever after. I wanted a boxer, with a touch of excitment, built for one, that I could keep running all year if necessary for work, and go on day flips with.

I thought you said that about the yellow one?

Al

He probably did, but there's something he's not telling us about the yellow one.

Ah yes - he did hint at that in one of his other posts............ Is he going to Wales?

I reckon - a couple of babychams and he'd be singing like a bird

Al

[Man-of-Mystery]

Ah yes - he did hint at that in one of his other posts............ Is he going to Wales?

I reckon - a couple of babychams and he'd be singing like a bird

Al

Hello? I am here, y'know!

M-o-M

[Blackal]

Aye, but right now........... we're talking about you

Al

[Man-of-Mystery]

The mair they talk, the mair I'm kent.

M-o-M

[Me-109]

. . . .low maitenance bill$ due to driveshaft . . . the safety and convenience of ABS . . .

You jest. ABS that doesn't cut the mustard, takes far too long to work safely (at least on the 11), overcomplicates simple maintenance tasks (bleeding fluids for example) and maintenance bills usually horrific when it goes wrong; high maintenance bills with driveshaft issues (bearings, seals, crown gears) which easily outweigh the cost over lifespan of chains and sprockets. I don't see either of those as selling points.

[Gromit]

You jest. ABS that doesn't cut the mustard, takes far too long to work safely (at least on the 11), overcomplicates simple maintenance tasks (bleeding fluids for example) and maintenance bills usually horrific when it goes wrong; high maintenance bills with driveshaft issues (bearings, seals, crown gears) which easily outweigh the cost over lifespan of chains and sprockets. I don't see either of those as selling points.

What he said.

My Blackbird's (original) chain & sprockets have now down 43000 miles - maintenance? Top up the Scottoiler every 2000 miles or so. Only time the chain needs adjusting is when I remove the back wheel.

[PBBoxer]

43000 miles? Stop riding it like a girl

hehe

[winger]

Haveing a bike with both,i'll take the chain drive everytime thanks,i put new chain and sprockets the best you can get 100 quid and start again.

ABS!!! i love it,have had it on every bike i've ever owned!! it also keeps my ears apart.

[Me-109]

Haveing a bike with both . . .

What? You have shaft AND chain on one bike?! Now that smacks of distrust of either system and over-complexity in engineering. It does have the benefit of 100% spare capacity in the event of failure of one system, so well done for engineering that one.

The ultimate sports-tourer drive system perhaps? Chain for sports, shaft for touring.

[BMW-Fahrer]

ME-109,I don't know what you are talking about,you probably neither...
Last week I serviced my "hard to service overcomplicated servo brakes"...
Pump Lever or Footbrakes and bleed at servo unit...
Than with ignition on just hold lever or footbrake and bleed at calipers.How hard can that be?Easy as pie!You don't even a vacuum bleeder because the motor in the ABS unit does the work for you...
Where is the problem???
And yes I would love to deal with a messy chain.Adjust,oil and clean and replace chain/sprockets every 15 K miles...
Compared to the shaft drive on my first R11S where one shaft seal leaked and was easily fixed for less than $20 chaindrive would have been sooo much easier and cheaper to deal with and more preferable... I understand...
And yes if the new linked ABS on the R1200R for example is as good as the old servo ABS with less hardware then I'm all for it.
Just to clear things up...
And yes the stoppng distances between the R1100S with servo ABS were shorter than with the R200S with the non servo non linked unit but the new even better system is only on R1200R,GS and RT boxers as also K bikes...

[Blackal]

Chris, If it is a task that can be carried out at home, but people are wary of doing - don't you think that a non-confrontational step-by-step guide to the task might be better than your "in-your-face" style?

I'm sure folk on here would be most amenable to a simple guide to saving £££s (or indeed $$$s)

As for the reliability of chains/shafts - I am in agreement - while the shaft may need no adjustment and is generally cleaner - any fault on a continental tour will generally necessitate a ride home on the back of a truck. I would think that a chain system is always repairable in that instance? There are plenty of folk that have been left cursing shaft drive.

Al