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Chris,
I never bought my S or any other bike for practicality and usefulness. I bought it for fun and enjoyment. The same reason I suspect that has caused some to buy a 1200S.
The solution to the pillion problem can be easily remedied, get a second bike like "madman" and his wife have done with their 1100s - double the pleasure and double the luggage.

Failing that get your driver to meet you at the other end with all the bits that you can't take on the bike

Henry

I sold my BCR and bought a 1200s, simply because it Rocks my boat.

Had no complaints from pillions yet, including 350-500 mile days.
Ok it doesnt have the 1100 luggage capacity, then again nor do any other sports-type bikes i can think of.
As for the comments regarding gsxrs and 1098s, fair do's however I like the shaft drive option, the heated grips, the abs and the fact it's a bit different.
You can compare bikes as much as you like in terms of power and "on paper" attributes, but there are VERY few riders out there who can exploit the differences fully, unless on a big sweeping roads.
One of the bike mags last month happened to compare an R1 against a 1200s for some obscure reason and indeed they said the R1 was way quicker etc. They conceeded though that at the end of the day unless you're into mad track days, the 1200s if the better real world bike.

If you want to tick all those boxes regarding economy, luggage, touring etc why not try a Toyota Yaris? Very practical indeed. Otherwise, it's fairly difficult to impose views on people who have free choice and their own thoughts.

Well said, that man.

Steve

What he said!!! (PB & Boxered)

Well for me i think the 1200 looks load better,i don't have problem with pannier thing cuz i never use e'm,it's a tank bag and ventura rack no what bike i'm on,the problem i have is the park bench they try to pass off as the passenger seat,i've a wife who tell when i've put two turns on the preload on my Ohlins,and shes' not going stand for any old PR bollocks saying other wise on the seat front!!!and just to show the 1200 isn't on it's own,the new Tiger is no better,assuming you can work a way out how to get on it in the first place,and Triumphs ST Sprint,the moment your rideing at any kind of pace,there just isn't anywhere for the passenger to hide.

Were i differ from Chris,it's just one of those things,if they sell well BM will keep makeing e'm and if it doesn't they'll drop like the Cruiser and the C2,what ever happens i won't be looseing any sleep over it.

It does'nt matter what manufacturer you take they all have the exactley the same scenario
Honda owners VFR 800 Pre Vtec or Vtec
Ducati owners Hated the 999 with a vengence not helped by the bike press but it still won races and is an excellent road bike.
With the 1098 some are saying including me that it looks too Japenese from the front but only because they have all slowly copied the 916 I also think that the 1200s looks like its come from Korea as cheap copy of a fireblade with wings but it is very good on the road especially the ohlins version as it handles passengers much better.The only reason I didnt trade my BCR in for the 1200s is luggage capacity I already have a focused sports bike and the BCR is the closest anyones come to producing all round ability with economy and ease of maintenance.

eggcup wrote:It does'nt matter what manufacturer you take they all have the exactley the same scenario
H*nda owners VFR 800 Pre Vtec or Vtec
Ducati owners Hated the 999 with a vengence not helped by the bike press but it still won races and is an excellent road bike.
With the 1098 some are saying including me that it looks too Japenese from the front but only because they have all slowly copied the 916 I also think that the 1200s looks like its come from Korea as cheap copy of a fireblade with wings but it is very good on the road especially the ohlins version as it handles passengers much better.The only reason I didnt trade my BCR in for the 1200s is luggage capacity I already have a focused sports bike and the BCR is the closest anyones come to producing all round ability with economy and ease of maintenance.

The 916 was blatantly copied from the Honda NR750, with its dual headlights, single-sided swingarm and underseat exhaust.

The 916 was a NR750 with an Italian designer makeover and a Ducati engine. Since many of the design features are only now common goods, it just shows how much Honda was ahead of its time in 1992. And that's just the design. The technological innovations will probably never be topped, Honda included.

The 916 was blatantly copied from the H*nda NR750, with its dual headlights, single-sided swingarm and underseat exhaust.

The 916 was a NR750 with an Italian designer makeover and a Ducati engine. Since many of the design features are only now common goods, it just shows how much H*nda was ahead of its time in 1992. And that's just the design. The technological innovations will probably never be topped, H*nda included.[/quote]

Previous to 92 there were loads of bikes with twin headlights loads with fairings loads with aluminuim frames and loads that looked better than the NR 750 It might have been ahead of its time but so was the Bimota Tesi and thats really pig ugly.
916 designer admits that this bike had influence on his design but its hardly an exact copy and even so I expect somewhere theres a design in a portfolio with all these features scattered about but it took italian flare to put it together to make the 916 the design icon of the 90s its even been used in fashion houses and films something the Honda could never do.
As for technological innovations is that the ones that no one else could see the sense of just like Norton who thought the Wankel was the future when everyone else had kicked it into touch,innovation is ok if real people can use it.
the bottom line is did it sell and if asked could the majority of bikers when asked whats the NR 750 look like I bet 95% would'nt even know that Honda made it

916 design icon, my ass. Next to an NR it's a cheap looking ugly bike. Next to something else, it's still (at best) ugly. It is a well known bike as you could actually buy it, and different from anything else out there at the time (except the NR). And most influential designers are.... italian. Hmmm. There wouldn't be a connection between that little fact and it's designer appraisals, would there? After all, Italians are hardly known to be chauvinistic, are they?

It is not weird that most people don't know the NR, though I would say anyone with a remote interest in bikes and their history does. At 200 pieces made, just because Big H wanted to show they could, it is not exactly something you see on every corner.

Those that were lucky enough to see one in the flesh almost unanimously agree it is one of the most beautiful bikes ever build. I have yet to see a picture that does just to the real thing.

There was an NR on display at the 98 TT, behind the pavilion. Stunning thing.
There was actually a decent article on one last year in one of the mags. One of the testers got a ride on one and couldnt believe how strong it was and how good it felt overall.

throttlemeister wrote:[The 916 was blatantly copied from the H*nda NR750, with its dual headlights, single-sided swingarm and underseat exhaust.

If that is the case, then it shows that the Italians (Tamburini in this case) knew what they were doing whereas Honda quite obviously (IMHO) didn't.

Another example?? Honda NSX against the Pininfarina Ferrari which they copied. They just did not understand what they were doing!

sandbar

An NR on display!!! jesus i rode out of Assen after a WSB years ago with it pissing down, along the road from the back of the grandstand which is like a bloody motorcross track with an old boy on an NR with 2" of shit all over it,and the last one i saw was also in Holland at 'Safe' the bike shop. !!

*getting back on topic*

See avatar, for my advice on what to replace an R1100S with.

M-o-M

winger wrote:Well for me i think the 1200 looks load better,i don't have problem with pannier thing cuz i never use e'm,it's a tank bag and ventura rack no what bike i'm on,the problem i have is the park bench they try to pass off as the passenger seat,i've a wife who tell when i've put two turns on the preload on my Ohlins,and shes' not going stand for any old PR bollocks saying other wise on the seat front!!!and just to show the 1200 isn't on it's own,the new Tiger is no better,assuming you can work a way out how to get on it in the first place,and Triumphs ST Sprint,the moment your rideing at any kind of pace,there just isn't anywhere for the passenger to hide.

Were i differ from Chris,it's just one of those things,if they sell well BM will keep makeing e'm and if it doesn't they'll drop like the Cruiser and the C2,what ever happens i won't be looseing any sleep over it.

In the BM dealer shop 06 1200s fully loaded ,2500 miles ,yellow for £7350 .Now that is a deal. But about £3000 less than original price .Lost about 20% on my 05 1200RT when I sold it in Oct.

robi wrote:
In the BM dealer shop 06 1200s fully loaded ,2500 miles ,yellow for £7350 .Now that is a deal. But about £3000 less than original price .Lost about 20% on my 05 1200RT when I sold it in Oct.

With Ohlins, wide rear, grips ?................. That's cheap!

I'm not listening........... I can't hear you............... Mmmmm.......

Al