It's not all bad. YouTube had listed a couple of Billy Connolly videos that I hadn't seen before, next to this one. So had a good laugh that I wouldn't have had otherwise. Thanks for posting the link.
fontana wrote:
In that respect, nothing comes close to this load of pretentious crap.
Banter around the bonfire.
Impromptu drag races
Side by side fist banging at 3:20
Big beards and pony tails
It's all here.
PUKE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA8z7T3JqZk
Oh no....oh very, very no.
Utter bilge.
Yeh that takes the biscuit, this scene is ridiculous at this very moment I am croppin my pony tail, erasing my body art and brickin off my seven o clock man shadow and heading out to buy a Dorsuduro.
Fiat Panda.
Fiat Scudo (with speedblock, pipe carrier, reversing sensors, reversing camera, tow bar, some new rust and Fake Plumber logo)
started out with nothing, still have most of it left.
The whole 'Cafe' thing has become the second decade of the twenty first century's 'West Coast Choppers' only rather than fat, thick, talentless Californians with a steroid problem, the bikes are being built and ridden by skinny beardies from Camden, with bad tatts and a hugely elevated idea of their own 'Creativity'.
I reckon we've got another 12-18 months of this stomach churning unpleasantness and then these Gints will move onto something else.
Turd pottery or Hollistic, free-range, organic, tantric navel re-tying.
Not Camden. I live in Camden. There is precious little 'Hipster scene' there. Camden is all Goths and tourists. In fact there's precious few Goths anymore. It's almost all tourists these days (shame that)
Shorditch/Hoxton, Bethnall Green and Hackney is where you'll find them. Their 'church' is BSMC (Bike Shed Motorcycle Club) in the heart of Hoxton. All East end.
I met a hipsterish dude on the tunnel back from France this year. He was on a ratted old r60 with knobbly tyres and a single seat. His clothing was authentically 'retro' too. A nice guy; French but lived in London for the past 20 years and almost no accent. His English was better than most natives. We got talking and I mentioned that he looked like he would be found in BSMC. He laughed and told me that he knew 'Dutch' the owner well (most of those guys are in advertising or media based environments) but didn't frequent the club/cafe/shop as the coffee was shit and the food even worse. How we laughed. The only thing worse than a hipster is a hipster that serves bad coffee...
R1200GS TC. Triple Black
R1200S. It’s gone. Had it 11yrs. My favourite bike in 42yrs riding.
fontana wrote:The whole 'Cafe' thing has become the second decade of the twenty first century's 'West Coast Choppers' only rather than fat, thick, talentless Californians with a steroid problem, the bikes are being built and ridden by skinny beardies from Camden, with bad tatts and a hugely elevated idea of their own 'Creativity'.
I reckon we've got another 12-18 months of this stomach churning unpleasantness and then these Gints will move onto something else.
Turd pottery or Hollistic, free-range, organic, tantric navel re-tying.
It's this whole anger and rage thing that I'm finding very unpleasant & depressing. I like that motorcycling exists in many forms, and some of their creations look pretty good to me. I'm not sure how you can get so upset by it. They're not tearing up and down outside your house while your trying to sleep, are they (I'd be pi$$ed off by that)?
Grip Fast wrote:
They're not tearing up and down outside your house while your trying to sleep, are they (I'd be pi$$ed off by that)?
No but I think it's a shame that so many people don't really get what bikes are about, despite owning them.
Some people own dogs purely to suit their image.
I hate them too.
Grip Fast wrote:
They're not tearing up and down outside your house while your trying to sleep, are they (I'd be pi$$ed off by that)?
No but I think it's a shame that so many people don't really get what bikes are about, despite owning them.
Some people own dogs purely to suit their image.
I hate them too.
Oh, now I'm concerned that I might fall into that category. What are bikes about? Despite being passionate about motorbikes since my mum bought me a model bike some sixty years ago, maybe I miss the point too and don't get it.
I'm not at all bothered whether people get a bike for the same reasons as me or not (I have many reasons for owning a bike), as long as they are buying bikes and helping keep the industry going so I can also enjoy owning and riding a motorbike for many more years to come.
Grip Fast wrote:
They're not tearing up and down outside your house while your trying to sleep, are they (I'd be pi$$ed off by that)?
No but I think it's a shame that so many people don't really get what bikes are about, despite owning them.
Some people own dogs purely to suit their image.
I hate them too.
Oh, now I'm concerned that I might fall into that category. What are bikes about? Despite being passionate about motorbikes since my mum bought me a model bike some sixty years ago, maybe I miss the point too and don't get it.
I'm not at all bothered whether people get a bike for the same reasons as me or not (I have many reasons for owning a bike), as long as they are buying bikes and helping keep the industry going so I can also enjoy owning and riding a motorbike for many more years to come.
This^
I'm down with that. I'm really pleased that the ' cafe racer' 'hipster generation' have caused a resurgence n the interest of motorcycles. God knows successive governments are doing their damndest to eradicate them. It's unfortunate that the 'hipster customising scene' shall leave us with an awful lot of 'home built' sheds that were once half decent classics but we always look to the past to re-invent the present and 'the scene' has brought about some nice/good/interesting bikes from major manufacturers. I don't think they'll be any long lasting legacy from them as its more about consumerism than anything else I feel. They won't be remembered like punks or skinheads et-al but if some of them really take to bikes and keep on riding then it can't be a bad thing. I just wont be entering the BSMC cafe anytime soon.
R1200GS TC. Triple Black
R1200S. It’s gone. Had it 11yrs. My favourite bike in 42yrs riding.
fontana wrote:
No but I think it's a shame that so many people don't really get what bikes are about, despite owning them.
Some people own dogs purely to suit their image.
I hate them too.
Oh, now I'm concerned that I might fall into that category. What are bikes about? Despite being passionate about motorbikes since my mum bought me a model bike some sixty years ago, maybe I miss the point too and don't get it.
I'm not at all bothered whether people get a bike for the same reasons as me or not (I have many reasons for owning a bike), as long as they are buying bikes and helping keep the industry going so I can also enjoy owning and riding a motorbike for many more years to come.
This^
I'm down with that. I'm really pleased that the ' cafe racer' 'hipster generation' have caused a resurgence n the interest of motorcycles. God knows successive governments are doing their damndest to eradicate them. It's unfortunate that the 'hipster customising scene' shall leave us with an awful lot of 'home built' sheds that were once half decent classics but we always look to the past to re-invent the present and 'the scene' has brought about some nice/good/interesting bikes from major manufacturers. I don't think they'll be any long lasting legacy from them as its more about consumerism than anything else I feel. They won't be remembered like punks or skinheads et-al but if some of them really take to bikes and keep on riding then it can't be a bad thing. I just wont be entering the BSMC cafe anytime soon.
Agreed, I love all bikes (well ok I'm not a fan of Harleys et al .... but I can see why some like them)
Everything from scooters to gargantuan adventure bikes ..... sure I have preferences and favourites but I just love bikes
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Steve Parry
Current fleet: '14 F800GS, '87 R80RS, '03 R1100S BoxerCup, '15 R1200RT LE Dynamic, '90 K1, '05 K1200S
Well it's my opinion.
Doubtless if we were talking about Harley riders, some people here might be saying similar things about them.
In fact.
slparry wrote:it's because they like to think they're "badass" boys You're missing the point Mike it's all about image with them, bless it's all they've got left .... performance, handling, braking and dignity went a long time ago (about 1940 I understand)
well interestingly, that's exactly what I think of the Café brigade, so let's not get too carried away with the idea that some of us are more open minded than others.
We all have our prejudices, weather we are prepared to admit it or not.
fontana wrote:
No but I think it's a shame that so many people don't really get what bikes are about, despite owning them.
Some people own dogs purely to suit their image.
I hate them too.
On the original post, I don't get what Ducati are thinking. I could be wrong but I suspect this model will bomb. I don't understand who this bike is aimed at?
It's not great looking. It's not cheap. It's not particularly powerful or light.
I could think of lots if better ways to spend £11k or nearly £13k for the S. you could buy a 959 for 13k. Or a second hand 1198.
What I'd like to see from Ducati is a new super Light! Say 125hp. 175kg, stripped back, light, fun.
fontana wrote:
No but I think it's a shame that so many people don't really get what bikes are about, despite owning them.
Some people own dogs purely to suit their image.
I hate them too.
Go on then.....what are bikes 'about'?
Pete
Fontana, you seem to be thinking we should all be in it for the same thing as you, and if we are not, then we are wrong!
Like with everything, people buy bikes for numerous reasons, and buy different types of bikes to suit their needs, image, personality etc. There is no right or wrong way of doing this.
I have seen people doing 3 week tours on a panigale and doing track days on a GS. In the latter case he was quicker than most of the other riders.
I have no problem with people buying a bike to ride to the cafe, just as I have no problem with people buying a chopper.
My biggest problem or fear is the lack of young people coming through. Motorcycling in Europe is undergoing a prolonged death.
You're missing the point Mike it's all about image with them, bless it's all they've got left .... performance, handling, braking and dignity went a long time ago (about 1940 I understand)
