A bit of a strange question but...

bikesnbones · Post by **bikesnbones** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:41 am

Twinspark wrote:Depends on what you call a bad review.

My measure would be 'totally dependable and cheap to run, but dull as used dish water'..

Based on a quick test ride, as opposed to 4 years and 40,000 miles ownership experience.
OK then

conkerman · Post by **conkerman** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:17 am

For gods sake, not this again!

Counter to your belief, our opinions are just as valid as yours. I really could not give a shit if you had done a million miles on one and it saved your dog from a lake, it was hatefully dull with poor quality suspension.

My experience of the bike was several bikes over a few hundred miles.

There are currently several threads where you are acting like a petulant child, I don't want to be abusive but just fucking stop! Please.

bikesnbones · Post by **bikesnbones** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:25 am

conkerman wrote:For gods sake, not this again!

Counter to your belief, our opinions are just as valid as yours.

Right, so what you're saying is just agree with everyone, and never express an opinion that goes against anyone else's here.

If you don't like my opinions, just ignore.

Simples

Oh and in case you forgot.

conkerman wrote:+1 for early vfr800s being rubbsh, well not rubbish, uninvolving.
Kawas are much more exciting to ride. My Zx9r was great. Mrs C said it was remarkably comfortable for pillions.

conkerman · Post by **conkerman** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:18 am

No, but you can express an opinion and then not turn it into a pissing contest because you have done a billion miles etc.

I don't understand why you quoted me? You are obviously unfamiliar with the phrase damned by faint praise. Being uninvolving in a motorcycle is possibly the worst criticism you can level. Surely you can see that as someone who is so into 'character' and 'soul'.

bikesnbones · Post by **bikesnbones** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:00 am

conkerman wrote:No, but you can express an opinion and then not turn it into a pissing contest because you have done a billion miles etc..

OK so I'll give you a scenario,
2 people give you an opinion of a bike.
One took it out for a test ride, the other owned the bike for a number of miles and did a significant mileage on it.
Which opinion would you be most interested in.
You cannot possibly get a good idea of what a bike is like to live with after a test ride.
That's ridiculous, although I will admit that I fell into this trap by buying a Honda CB1300S based on a 30 minute test.
It was the most boring bike I've ever owned, and after 1 year I'd had enough.
I had the Divvy for 4 years and 40,000 miles.
Just my opinion, although as usual, I daresay I'll get shot down in flames for daring to express it

conkerman · Post by **conkerman** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:36 am

Hold on.

You gave your opinion, with your experience.

Many here (including me) see it a bit differently. Based on various length if experience. With indications of what we thought the shortcomings were.

You get all butthurt because you have done 40k miles etc etc. And no one is listening to your more valuable experience. Frankly, no one really cares too much, as bikes are so personal, so your Example is pretty much moot, On the other hand a diverse bunch of views are welcome and can help inform any decisions.

I am sure if the OP wants any further info they will ask, stop trying to convince everyone that your truth is the only truth.

more importantly though it's banter about bikes on the internet not negotiations on the middle east.

To (re)use the VFR example. The VFR was supposed to be the bestest bike of ever based on many, many reviews in media and the internet and myself and many others come away from the ownership experience thinking about the emperors new clothes. So again the example you make is moot, as bikes are so personal. Riding is the only way to tell.

Ahm Oot.

bikesnbones · Post by **bikesnbones** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:40 am

conkerman wrote:bikes are so personal. Riding is the only way to tell.

Ahm Oot.

AH HA.
At last the point I've been trying to make has finally sunk in.
I knew we'd get there in the end.

conkerman · Post by **conkerman** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:30 pm

big rob wrote:
conkerman wrote:I quite like the 750 Teapot.

Cheap, nippy and robust.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUZUKI-GSX750 ... 25854fbd5b

there you go sir, make a silly bid and it maybe yours

oops! post hi-jack, sorr-ee

Don't!

I already have 2 bikes in bits in the garage

Twinspark · Post by **Twinspark** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:53 pm

Bloody hell - that seller owns 3 teapots.

I'm sure he'd qualify for help for that affliction.

conkerman · Post by **conkerman** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:26 pm

I know. I am sure it must be some sort of condition.

70k miles and a hideous paint job allied to the uber budget build quality.

Talking of budget Suzukis, I saw a RF900 the other day. My that hasn't aged well. I was curiously attracted to it..

I am strange.

bobtail · Post by **bobtail** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:32 pm

conkerman wrote:I know. I am sure it must be some sort of condition.

70k miles and a hideous paint job allied to the uber budget build quality.

Talking of budget Suzukis, I saw a RF900 the other day. My that hasn't aged well. I was curiously attracted to it..

I am strange.

Now I'll have nothing derogatory said about the RF900

Lots of trips on it never missed a beat and you just looked like Capn' Fantastic as well.

Harry Lime · Post by **Harry Lime** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:53 pm

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Corvus · Post by **Corvus** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:56 pm

bikesnbones wrote:
conkerman wrote:No, but you can express an opinion and then not turn it into a pissing contest because you have done a billion miles etc..
OK so I'll give you a scenario,
2 people give you an opinion of a bike.
One took it out for a test ride, the other owned the bike for a number of miles and did a significant mileage on it.
Which opinion would you be most interested in..........

The most objective one.

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:54 pm

bikesnbones wrote:
conkerman wrote:No, but you can express an opinion and then not turn it into a pissing contest because you have done a billion miles etc..
OK so I'll give you a scenario,
2 people give you an opinion of a bike.
One took it out for a test ride, the other owned the bike for a number of miles and did a significant mileage on it.
Which opinion would you be most interested in.
<snip>

Both because one is from a person who obviously liked it and the other didn't like it so both of them are valid inputs into a decision process, neither is "right" but both are valid

bikesnbones · Post by **bikesnbones** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:30 am

slparry wrote:
bikesnbones wrote: Both because one is from a person who obviously liked it and the other didn't like it so both of them are valid inputs into a decision process, neither is "right" but both are valid

Which is wrong.
So you're saying that you can know exactly what a bike is like to own, and live with based on a test ride.
That is naïve beyond belief, and I think you know that.