Is my clutch on it's way out?

sandbar · Post by **sandbar** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:14 pm

theseadog wrote:.............and keep it below 4500 and it wouldn't really slip, but as soo as you gave it either a handful or took the revs up, slip slip slip slip it went like a slippy thing......

Sticking a turbo on an airhead has the same effect!!

sandbar

theseadog · Post by **theseadog** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:30 pm

sandbar wrote:
theseadog wrote:.............and keep it below 4500 and it wouldn't really slip, but as soo as you gave it either a handful or took the revs up, slip slip slip slip it went like a slippy thing......
Sticking a turbo on an airhead has the same effect!!

sandbar

mmmmmmm, turbo

I did recently see a conversion on an oilhead can't remember if it was turbo or super but it looked really neat and i think was giving around 150rwhp.

Dunno how long the rest of the bike would last right enough !

Adski · Post by **Adski** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:51 pm

Well...it only seems to slip when pulling away in 1st at the moment so it could just be the clutch master cylinder as earlier mentioned.
It's almost as if the bike doesn't want its' front wheel in the air!

Adski · Post by **Adski** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:55 am

Sorry to drag this old one up...but it's finally been investigated at South London Motorcycles.

The problem is the insurance provided with the bike only covers up to £500 so I'm really not sure how to proceed with this. BUT if all thos parts really do need replacing then surely I'd have noticed it a bit more than just pulling away in 1st? Oh, and it does appear to be getting worse methinks but only when pulling away in 1st.

Labour

Before VAT

Replace clutch £427.92

Parts

Before VAT

Gasket x2 £5.70
Gasket x2 £18.04
Mount parts x6 £4.62
Press plate £31.83
Housing £126.81
Clutch plate £66.81
Rod £18.30
Gasket £2.17
Brake pads x2 £67.92

Total = £904.89 (inc VAT)

Ade B · Post by **Ade B** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:40 am

Ouch

My recent brake pads from SL cost less than that.. around £56 from memory...

Get a quote from Motorworks for the parts, my new clutch bits came to just over 100 quid....

Also get a quote for labour from a local garage - BMW rates are ridiculous.

Whilst fairly daunting, changing the clutch can be undertaken in a domestic garage with normal tools, a twatting hammer some threaded rod and the handle from an engine hoist...

check out here: viewtopic.php?t=3736

procedure would be similar.

Ade.

Adski · Post by **Adski** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:06 pm

No idea why they've lumped brake pads on there. I've already obtained some rear pads from elsewhere and it wasn't even in for anything other than clutch being looked at.

I've now called them back and spoken to the mechanic regarding the whole thing...and it turns out they've not even stripped it. They just lumped that worst case quote together and currently don't actually know what needs doing. And there was me thinking my bike was in bits and these were the parts that definitely need replacement.
as nice as it is to have a lady on the service department reception it would be just a tad better if they actually knew something!

Jason M · Post by **Jason M** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:32 pm

Adski wrote:No idea why they've lumped brake pads on there. I've already obtained some rear pads from elsewhere and it wasn't even in for anything other than clutch being looked at.

I've now called them back and spoken to the mechanic regarding the whole thing...and it turns out they've not even stripped it. They just lumped that worst case quote together and currently don't actually know what needs doing. And there was me thinking my bike was in bits and these were the parts that definitely need replacement.
as nice as it is to have a lady on the service department reception it would be just a tad better if they actually knew something!

Where abouts are you matey - we could do it in my garage for a lot less than that! Very good labour rates

Jason

Blackal · Post by **Blackal** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:57 pm

Adski wrote:No idea why they've lumped brake pads on there. I've already obtained some rear pads from elsewhere and it wasn't even in for anything other than clutch being looked at.

I've now called them back and spoken to the mechanic regarding the whole thing...and it turns out they've not even stripped it. They just lumped that worst case quote together and currently don't actually know what needs doing. And there was me thinking my bike was in bits and these were the parts that definitely need replacement.
as nice as it is to have a lady on the service department reception it would be just a tad better if they actually knew something!

It's called the acceptable face of ripping you off.

Car dealers do it deliberately to dissarm furious customers. Go to a dealer with a dog in the reception

Al

Adski · Post by **Adski** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:17 pm

I've still no idea what to do.
It's not yet been approved by the "bike protect" insurance and they won't even decide on it until the bike's stripped and they know for sure what needs doing. If it doesn't get approved (maybe because it's not got a BMW full service history every 6 months...) then I have to pay out for it being taken apart and put back together again, even if no work is carried out.

I'm am very tempted to do this myself, maybe even leaving it until next year for better weather as I'm still sure it can't be anything too major as I'd be noticing slip when moving along.

My options are...

Let them do it and see how it all works out...could be anything from "bike protect" insurance policy covering it all, to me paying £900.

Get my bike back before any work is done and just put up with it for now.

Get my bike back and attempt the work myself...though I'll have to order a stand and any specialised tools (large rubberised twatter and a few packs of drill bits) along the way. Would be a good learning experience and confidence builder and as I kinda have a spare bike I can take as much time as I need. I have my own garage...though it's not lit, has no heating, power or water so it's really daylight hours only which are few and far between these days.

I could also enlist the help of someone on here (I'm in Coulsdon, CR5) to help do the work over the course of a weekend or so in their nicely kitted out garage...which would be a tad more comfortable to work in.

I think what I'll do for now is just get my bike back (handing back the keys to the lovely R1200S...) and go from there. I would prefer to do the work on it myself as it would be a kick up the arse to upgrade some tools, get some new ones and splash some cash though I'll be sure ask if I need the help of one of you kind folk.

Thanks very much for the info and offers, I will no doubt be asking for assistance when I get round to it!
I just hope I can get down there in time before they commence work...anyone know what time the mechanics start?

Adam (feeling much better now I've decided what to do!)

Ade B · Post by **Ade B** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:37 pm

Ring em up and leave a message on the answerphone if you can..

Don't worry, if the bike hasn't died yet it will probably limp on for a bit and the worst case scenario is it'll dump you somewhere late at night and far from home... I think the toughest bit for me was making the decision which following the phone quotes I got took about 0.0005 seconds...

Then its just down to how. I can forward you a manual on CD if you need one and would be able to lend a hand although I can't claim much in the way of mechanical prowess (as I needed my hand holding to do the work to my S).

The tricky bits from memory were lining up the splines on the shaft when putting it back together and also making sure the clutch assembly went in correctly aligned... aside from that there was just a lot of bits to take off and put back on.

If you spend a bit of time prepping the garage it will make it less daunting - set up some boxes to put bits in, a heater and some light and power etc. think you could hire a hoist to hang the bike from..

Best of luck and let us know your plans.

Ade

Jason M · Post by **Jason M** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:06 am

Adam - if you DO want to do it down at mine you'd be quite welcome. If you want me to do it for you I'd do it for 100 quid plus parts

Jason